Comments on: Finding a New Home For Thunderbird http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4 Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:30:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: samuelsidler.com » Thunderbird Taking Flight http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-11406 samuelsidler.com » Thunderbird Taking Flight Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:16:36 +0000 http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-11406 [...] posted his thoughts on the moving of Thunderbird from the Mozilla Corporation to a new home. I had some more thoughts, [...] […] posted his thoughts on the moving of Thunderbird from the Mozilla Corporation to a new home. I had some more thoughts, […]

]]> By: Alex J. Tanner http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-2489 Alex J. Tanner Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:42:22 +0000 http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-2489 Please don't split Thunderbird and Firefox. Just because Firefox is more popular does not mean that they aren't complementry products that should stay together. I see death for Thunderbird if it is forced from it's current position. I believe the reason Firefox is more popular than Thunderbird is that it is a lot easier to convince someone to change their web browser than their email client. Please don’t split Thunderbird and Firefox. Just because Firefox is more popular does not mean that they aren’t complementry products that should stay together. I see death for Thunderbird if it is forced from it’s current position. I believe the reason Firefox is more popular than Thunderbird is that it is a lot easier to convince someone to change their web browser than their email client.

]]> By: Daniel http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-2203 Daniel Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:24:37 +0000 http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-2203 I couldn't understand some parts of this article Finding a New Home For Thunderbird, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting. I couldn’t understand some parts of this article Finding a New Home For Thunderbird, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.

]]> By: Ragz http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-313 Ragz Wed, 22 Aug 2007 05:00:19 +0000 http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-313 If firefox is successful & is said to have a good revenue model then why not feed thunderbird from this revenue? Instead of mozilla trying to break off thunderbird into new organization, why not try to develop a revenue model for thunderbird in the existing framework? Success breeds success, thunderbird should ride on firefox's success. Even at the cost of reducing firefox's revenue by diverting attention, funds to thunderbird can lead to two amazing products which people will love instead of just one amazing product from mozilla. If firefox is successful & is said to have a good revenue model then why not feed thunderbird from this revenue? Instead of mozilla trying to break off thunderbird into new organization, why not try to develop a revenue model for thunderbird in the existing framework? Success breeds success, thunderbird should ride on firefox’s success. Even at the cost of reducing firefox’s revenue by diverting attention, funds to thunderbird can lead to two amazing products which people will love instead of just one amazing product from mozilla.

]]> By: Linux ready for the desktop? » Zen and the Art of Nonprofit Technology http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-220 Linux ready for the desktop? » Zen and the Art of Nonprofit Technology Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:31:29 +0000 http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-220 [...] supposedly has been working on an integrated email/calendar/contacts system, but they are spinning off Thunderbird, and Sunbird (the calendaring app) is coming along slowly. So an integrated app from Mozilla is [...] […] supposedly has been working on an integrated email/calendar/contacts system, but they are spinning off Thunderbird, and Sunbird (the calendaring app) is coming along slowly. So an integrated app from Mozilla is […]

]]> By: Matt Lampiasi http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-218 Matt Lampiasi Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:17:47 +0000 http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-218 Thunderbird provides a huge opportunity for users to move out of the monopolized outlook world. For every user I know who uses outlook for email/calendaring/contacts, I know another who wish es they had other choices. Be they more affordable or just out of principal. As just one user, I can say Thunderbird is more important to me than Firefox. I think the Mozilla foundation is sitting on a wealth of products that offer integration and collaboration possibilities, not just Firefox. Seabird/Lightning/Tbird have so much promise. 3'rd party developers are working on some great addons that make tbird viable as an integration tool with open source calendaring and crm apps that many small organizations and nonprofits take to FULL advantage - I setup such systems with clients all the time. I believe tbird would be best served by staying with the Mozilla foundation and that reconsideration of it's future and current importance take place. Thanks for considering my comments! Thunderbird provides a huge opportunity for users to move out of the monopolized outlook world. For every user I know who uses outlook for email/calendaring/contacts, I know another who wish es they had other choices. Be they more affordable or just out of principal. As just one user, I can say Thunderbird is more important to me than Firefox. I think the Mozilla foundation is sitting on a wealth of products that offer integration and collaboration possibilities, not just Firefox. Seabird/Lightning/Tbird have so much promise. 3′rd party developers are working on some great addons that make tbird viable as an integration tool with open source calendaring and crm apps that many small organizations and nonprofits take to FULL advantage - I setup such systems with clients all the time.

I believe tbird would be best served by staying with the Mozilla foundation and that reconsideration of it’s future and current importance take place.

Thanks for considering my comments!

]]> By: sirrahn http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-209 sirrahn Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:31:33 +0000 http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-209 From the articles I cannot see the reason for it. I'm not saying there isn't one, but its not outlined in the blog or Mitchell's blog. Without knowing more about how the foundation operates on a day to day basis it simply isn't clear. Eg, if as you say "The code wouldn’t move, the ways in which we all interact (bugzilla, CVS, IRC) would not change." etc then I don't see what difference it makes. Thunderbird, sunbird, and the mysterious compozer(nvu?) are obviously under resourced compared to firefox. But, I don't see how this move will draw in more developers or attention. I assume the mozilla foundation give you the framework to developing open source software, and then to make money from it though the subsidiary. If this is true then I don't know why you wouldn't simply broaden the purpose of the mozilla foundation slightly (it would have to be very slight, it at all necessary) and provide little homes for all these projects within this broader structure. Surely the real challenge is to find a way of inviting more developers into the process? From the articles I cannot see the reason for it. I’m not saying there isn’t one, but its not outlined in the blog or Mitchell’s blog. Without knowing more about how the foundation operates on a day to day basis it simply isn’t clear.

Eg, if as you say “The code wouldn’t move, the ways in which we all interact (bugzilla, CVS, IRC) would not change.” etc then I don’t see what difference it makes. Thunderbird, sunbird, and the mysterious compozer(nvu?) are obviously under resourced compared to firefox. But, I don’t see how this move will draw in more developers or attention.

I assume the mozilla foundation give you the framework to developing open source software, and then to make money from it though the subsidiary. If this is true then I don’t know why you wouldn’t simply broaden the purpose of the mozilla foundation slightly (it would have to be very slight, it at all necessary) and provide little homes for all these projects within this broader structure. Surely the real challenge is to find a way of inviting more developers into the process?

]]> By: Daniel http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-199 Daniel Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:12:31 +0000 http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-199 I have to say, that I could not agree with you in 100% regarding Finding a New Home For Thunderbird, but it's just my opinion, which could be wrong :) I have to say, that I could not agree with you in 100% regarding Finding a New Home For Thunderbird, but it’s just my opinion, which could be wrong :)

]]> By: guillemo http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-197 guillemo Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:54:01 +0000 http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-197 good or bad idea that thunderbird is gotten up to seamonkey? technically it does not seem very difficult or if? sorry by my english.- good or bad idea
that thunderbird is gotten up to seamonkey? technically it does not seem very difficult or if?

sorry by my english.-

]]> By: TB&FF user http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-180 TB&FF user Sun, 05 Aug 2007 08:16:27 +0000 http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/?p=4#comment-180 I'm so sorry to read this, but users need to know more: As Frédéric Buclin says: >>What will be the next step? MoCo could as well >>decide to throw away some features of Firefox, >>deciding they should focus on such or such >>content of the web, again ignoring something new' Well this just has started, SOAP support a very important api was removed from the trunk. This allows FF and TB to consume WEB Services (I think many users know this is important part of the WEB) Reason: No body owns the module. What will be next??? I think something is going wrong with the Mozilla Foundation. Users and Corporations that uses those appls seriously, need to know what's going on to start making the right choice. I’m so sorry to read this, but users need to know more:

As Frédéric Buclin says:

>>What will be the next step? MoCo could as well >>decide to throw away some features of Firefox, >>deciding they should focus on such or such >>content of the web, again ignoring something new’

Well this just has started, SOAP support a very important api was removed from the trunk. This allows FF and TB to consume WEB Services (I think many users know this is important part of the WEB)

Reason: No body owns the module.

What will be next??? I think something is going wrong with the Mozilla Foundation. Users and Corporations that uses those appls seriously, need to know what’s going on to start making the right choice.

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